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Jeff Boss's avatar

Interesting take. Just FYI, as retired military, I don’t take offense to anything in this article. I say that because sometimes emotion gets lost or confused in text.

So, if “the soldier, even the enlightened soldier-philosopher, cannot be Stoic and therefore cannot be a warrior-philosopher in the Stoic sense,” then what was Marcus Aurelius? Or James Stockdale?

I’m not sure where this conceptualization of soldiering comes from because what was described in the article was not my military experience at all, nor that of my peers.

Military personnel in many countries, including the United States, are not only permitted but are required to disobey orders that are unlawful or unethical per the UCMJ. Of course there are exceptions to every rule (My Lai massacre being one of them) because "perfect" doesn't exist.

Perhaps the biggest contention I have with Stoicism is its claim of a single moral high ground. Virtue, like truth, is socially constructed. What’s virtuous to one is less so to another. The definition of virtue you described is so broad (as it is in my dictionary, too: “a quality considered morally good or desirable in a person”) that it's impossible for there to be unanimity on its definition.

I would also question whether the wisdom described in your article is realistic for those at the top, because the implication is that there’s a) a single “right” interpretation of history and b) a single moment from which to base the wisdom of their knowledge repertoire on. This characterization of wisdom also works both ways, because those at the top typically lack context about what’s happening on the ground. This is precisely why JSOC was reshaped in the early 2000s. So, I would argue that those at the top don’t have the context of those at the bottom, which means they’re missing the “full knowledge” you describe just as much as the soldier on the ground. This also suggests that nobody under Marcus Aurelius was a true Stoic either simply because they didn’t know what he knew.

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Kyle Shepard's avatar

Interesting academic analysis of these archetypes.

Definitions, like you say, are important.

These words aren’t that clean though and I’d argue soldiers/sailors/airmen/warfighters can/are virtuous all the time even in the extremes. At scale/from the outside it’s easy to assume/analyze and there are always poor examples amongst any group, but I respectfully disagree with the conclusion as there’s simply too much nuance to the word soldier. Again, fun to debate on but impossible to categorize at scale as the determination of virtuous vs not can often only be made internally, especially when it comes to the extremes of life like war.

What one person perceives as a virtuous action could very well be a poorly intended one by the individual and vice versa.

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